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M and E

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I ordered these for the new truck. If you are a veteran, they give you an incredibly generous veterans discount that puts it on par with the AirLift 7500. I was contemplating putting these on the Ford. They get outstanding reviews. Two bags over a greater span should be superior than one in the center of the springs. Very pricey without a discount though.

 

Lantley

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I ordered these for the new truck. If you are a veteran, they give you an incredibly generous veterans discount that puts it on par with the AirLift 7500. I was contemplating putting these on the Ford. They get outstanding reviews. Two bags over a greater span should be superior than one in the center of the springs. Very pricey without a discount though.

Why do you feel you need them? Sagging too much? Improve Ride quality?
 

Long Islander

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I installed the LOGIQ air bags on my 2023 F250 last year and was very impressed. The install was fairly easy and straight forward, the bolt holes lined up perfectly with those on the truck. I ran the air lines to the back bumper of the truck and didn't tie them together. So I have to air up each side of the truck separately. Originally, I was thinking that I'd like to install the on board pump, after towing with them a number of times I decided to keep it simple. Before I installed them our F250 sagged quite a bit (about 4 inches) and I was never happy that happy with how it towed. The front end seemed light, even with the weight Distribution bars all set. The first time we that we towed with the airbags I was amazed how well they worked. Not only was I able to level out the truck, they improved the ride and virtually eliminated any porpoising. I am now a huge fan. Good luck, I'm sure you'll love them.
 

George

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I'm admittedly ignorant of suspension in general and its upgrades so I have a few questions.
If you're sagging too much does that mean you might be overloading the GVWR — and GAWR in particular — of your truck?
Does adding airbags increase the GAWR?
 

Lantley

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I'm admittedly ignorant of suspension in general and its upgrades so I have a few questions.
If you're sagging too much does that mean you might be overloading the GVWR — and GAWR in particular — of your truck?
Does adding airbags increase the GAWR?
That was sort of my thoughts as well. I can see putting them on a F250 to make up for its payload shortcomings.
However I'm not clear on why you would put them on a modern dually.
Air bags do not increase your tow ratings.
 

Lantley

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I don't think my truck squats a lot when I load up the trailer but I have to agree it does squat some. But not enough that I feel I need to account for it or use airbags.
I also have a Hensley Air Ride hitch to deal with any porpoising. But I can see where airbags can potentially help with the porpoising.
 

M and E

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The suspension nerd in me appreciates all the questions! Long post, but those who know me know I cannot resist suspension topics. That aside, I hope the response helps.

Absolutely positively on this truck (26 Sierra 3500 DRW), with this rig (2025 340RL) air bags are not a necessity. However, they will improve safety, ride quality under load, reduce the likelihood of overcorrection in some emergency maneuvers, and compliment my hitch setup.

@George Sagging too much does not automatically mean you're over GVWR or GAWR. Sag is just spring rate versus load at that point in the travel a truck can squat a little or a lot and still be comfortably under every rating, and you can be over a rating without dramatic sag. Adding airbags does not raise GAWR. That number is set by the weakest link on the axle line.

Capacity is not my reason, nor will airbags ever address a lack of capacity. Like @2 Allies said, every truck squats some under the loads we put on them and taking that squat out is my deliberate goal. With rear squat, weight comes off the front axle, which does most of the braking and 100% of the steering. Leveling puts some of that weight back on the steer axle (this is the biggest gain especially if you are truly concerned about safety), settles the rear, and keeps the trailer sitting level (bags do not act in the same way a weight distribution hitch does...less weight is transferred back to the front). This product replaces the overload springs and introduces a progressive compression rate. The question on that is “so what?” Again safety and ride comfort. Body roll will not be as dramatic and reduces the likelihood of the driver over correcting when it matters most (deer, downtown Atlanta). This is where I am taking a gamble…a rolling sleeve air bag should help match the frequency of the front suspension (if my research is right…hobbyist not an engineer). That is what will really improve ride feel, reduce porpoising, decrease fatigue, reduce wear and tear on the trailer, etc.

Separate topic, but I’ll also be adding an upgraded sway bar at least in the rear. Not that I can say Hellwig bars are the best, but I’ve used them before and they really perform. SRW or DRW, I can absolutely promise every owner reading this that if you upgrade at least the rear sway bar (meaningfully) you will have tremendous gains in stability loaded and unloaded. Fact check me on this, don’t take my word. The difference in controlling lateral movement by upgrading a sway bar is objectively measurable and you will notice it in all driving conditions. For a few hundred bucks and no more than 20 minutes under the truck, it could be the most meaningful upgrade you ever make to your truck…cars too for that matter. Keep in mind you can add too much stiffness with a sway bar...which is one of the reasons I like Hellwig as they are adjustable.

@Lantley You are spot on on both of your points. The Hensley Air Ride is doing real work, but it's working a different axis than airbags. The air hitch decouples and dampens the fore-aft chucking between truck and trailer; air springs level and stabilizes the truck's own rear platform. Complementary, not redundant. So, the Hensley manages the dynamic forces at the connection point where the bags mange the geometry, roll, and vertical behavior of the truck under the load.

Anyhow, it's the right thing for me and part of my hobbyist pursuits of working on vehicles and especially their suspension. Again...I'm just a hobbyist but i never look for confirmation bias. I'm pretty sure the above is reliable and unbiased.
 

2 Allies

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Excellent advice on suspensions. I did forget the the roll portion in my response as it is real. Thanks for the education and I'll look into the Helwig bars, anything to improve the overall towing experience will provide a less stressful drive especially on long drive days.
 

Long Islander

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I installed the airbags on our truck because I did not like how it handled when we were towing and I could not afford to replace the truck. The front end felt very light even with the weight distribution bars tightened up and it didn't handle bumps well either. I too felt as many of you above, why should I need a suspension upgrade? Am I exceeding the payload, GVWR, or GAWR?? Fortunately I wasn't. This is my second 3/4 ton truck. Our first was a 2018 RAM 2500 CTD (payload 2450 lbs) and it towed our Delta 292RL (tongue wt about 1100lbs) amazingly well, unfortunately I had way too much trouble keeping that truck out of the repair shop and after losing our ABS brake modular for the third time I'd had enough. So I traded it in for our 2023 Ford F250 Diesel (payload 2990 lbs). The first time I towed with it I was shocked at the difference between it and my old Ram. I was shocked with how much it sagged, given that its allowable payload was so much higher than my old RAM. I looked into installing Timbrens, but ultimately went with airbags because they can be deflated (not all the way) when not towing. Contrary to what I've heard people claim, airbags don't improve payload. All they do is help level out the truck and help transfer some load back on to the frond wheels. Why my truck sagged so much is question that only Ford can answer, but if I was to guess (its purely a guess) I would say they made the suspension a tad soft to improve the ride. Now with the airbags it tows great. No more light feeling in the front end and it handles bumps and bad roads way better than I expected.
 
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M and E

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I want to go back to sway bars and emphasize don’t go too stiff. That can cause hopping. Think about setting up a car as a drifter…light or no sway bars and coils in the rear and a super stiff front end causes the rear tires to roll and slide across road surface. The opposite is true when too stiff. It will buck and hop and probably have momentary loss of contact from the road surface. Most don’t consider sway bars ans part of the suspension. It is and It is also just a torsion spring. Another reason I like Hellwig…right sized and tested solutions. Reasonable price too.
 

Long Islander

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I forgot to mention that each each side of my truck has to be aired up independently. Meaning I did not tie the airlines together. I read doing so can be problematic with body lean. If the air bags are tied together then when one side is stressed, it can force air into the other side and acerbate to problem.

I will definitely look in steering stabilizers. Will these help out with the dreaded "death wobble" that I hear some Ford and Ram trucks are prone to?
 

M and E

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I forgot to mention that each each side of my truck has to be aired up independently. Meaning I did not tie the airlines together. I read doing so can be problematic with body lean. If the air bags are tied together then when one side is stressed, it can force air into the other side and acerbate to problem.

I will definitely look in steering stabilizers. Will these help out with the dreaded "death wobble" that I hear some Ford and Ram trucks are prone to?
I know of the death wobble. I thought ford corrected it. If not, the Bilstein product is very good. Fox is better. But yes, cannot happen with either application.

I am installing the 2 channel compressor with remote for the same reason you went that direction.
 

Long Islander

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I originally was going to install their onboard 2 channel compressor, but I thought I'd try airing them with the compressor that we carry in the trailer, just to see how easy it was. As it turns out, its very easy, so as of yet I haven't bothered to install a compressor. Once I even added air to them with a bike pump. If we are doing a lot of short stays (a day or two) while traveling, I often don't bother airing them down after we unhitch and we don't really notice too much difference in the ride.
 

Flyer32RLS

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The front end seemed light, even with the weight Distribution bars all set. The first time we that we towed with the airbags I was amazed how well they worked.
Sounds like your hitch weight was over the trucks capabilities. Just guessing!
I had a 2022 F250 and with my 5th wheel only sagged 2 1/2 inches. That was with 2400 hitch weight.
 

Long Islander

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Sounds like your hitch weight was over the trucks capabilities. Just guessing!
I had a 2022 F250 and with my 5th wheel only sagged 2 1/2 inches. That was with 2400 hitch weight.
The payload capacity of my F250 is 2990 lbs and the tongue weight of my Delta 292RL (a travel trailer) is usually around 1100 - 1200 lbs. So I am well within the limits of the truck.
 

M and E

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Installed them this weekend. It is a straightforward installation. But the heat here just slowed me down. I did have to call tech support on one step…it was me misinterpreting something…and that added a little delay. Anyhow, not too difficult to install. If you have basic tools you can handle the job. The lowest price to install these here in town was $1150.00. The other thing that irks me is the cutting template. Wayyyy too aggressive. I’ll buy a new liner and cut it on my own

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Long Islander

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Your install looks good! My truck doesn't have liners, so I didn't have to face that issue. Having said that I'd like to add them is there a preferred brand?
 
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