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2024 Ford F350 CP4 Failure

M and E

Prominent Member
My truck has 15k miles on it, so I decided to change the fuel filters. The 2024 has two filters. The primary filter is in the engine compartment. The secondary filter is mounted on the frame rail near the rear passenger door on a crew cab.

When I removed the secondary filter housing from the frame rail, I found a significant amount of metal debris including shedding and shavings. This debris comes from the CP4 pump where the cam ring contacts the roller. Both parts are steel and operate under high load with only diesel fuel for lubrication. In my case, the pump had to have been manufactured improperly, especially given how early this occurred. I looked up CP4 failure rates and found they run between one and three percent under 30,000 miles.

I took the truck to Ford and they initially denied the claim and told me to come pick it up. They said no codes meant no warranty work. That is when the fight started. I escalated to corporate and requested a field service engineer and a district service manager. They refused everything. I escalated again, demanded all denials in writing, and raised the issue of litigation. Only then did Ford authorize an inspection, which confirmed a nearly destroyed CP4. They are now replacing everything from the tank to the injectors.

For those who do not know, Ford uses the CP4.2 pump. They claim it is better than the CP4 but it is still problematic. GM uses the more reliable and proven CP3. Ram uses the DCR CP8, which is widely considered very reliable.

If I had relied on Ford to perform this service on their own schedule, I would have likely had a catastrophic engine failure soon. I am willing to bet it would have happened while towing and far from home. If you have the ability to change your own fuel filters, I strongly recommend doing it. The filters are cheap. It takes two or three minutes to change the primary filter and about five minutes to change the secondary. Draining the fuel takes longer than the actual filter change. It can save you a lot of pain.

This is what the secondary filter bowl looks like when a CP4 is failing.

Honestly, I am now leaning toward buying a Ram, although I would need a dually.IMG_4877.jpegIMG_4878.jpeg
 

Lantley

Prominent Member
It's stories like this that cause you to loose faith in corporate America. It's obscene to think that our $75,000-1$00,000 trucks can have catastrophic engine failure!....Due to known issues:mad: I'm not a fan of class actions or frivolous law suits. But these type failures simply should not be happening at this point. Ford should be ashamed of themselves.
Luckily you caught it in time and were able to strong arm Ford to own up to there mess. Unfortunately the warranty does not last forever
That $75K truck should go 400K miles without worrying about catastrophic engine failure.
Very disappointing that fuel pumps a still exploding, this problem has been going on for years now. It's hard for me to believe this issue has not been resolved by now.
 

M and E

Prominent Member
It's stories like this that cause you to loose faith in corporate America. It's obscene to think that our $75,000-1$00,000 trucks can have catastrophic engine failure!....Due to known issues:mad: I'm not a fan of class actions or frivolous law suits. But these type failures simply should not be happening at this point. Ford should be ashamed of themselves.
Luckily you caught it in time and were able to strong arm Ford to own up to there mess. Unfortunately the warranty does not last forever
That $75K truck should go 400K miles without worrying about catastrophic engine failure.
Very disappointing that fuel pumps a still exploding, this problem has been going on for years now. It's hard for me to believe this issue has not been resolved by now.
Yup. I could not agree more. Ford is worth $285BN and is selling $100K trucks. They need to start acting like a company worth $285BN and is selling $100K trucks.

I know about half as much as I should about vehicles, but more than many. Owners who are generally unfamiliar with their vehicles, or automobiles in general, probably just wind up getting hosed.

Well you know what they say, everyone hates lawyers, except theirs. Frivolous actions piss me off too. But this should be a class action against Ford and Bosch. Actually, I feel it should be a recall first and foremost as it creates real risk to personal safety.
 

Meanjean73

Well-known member
I have 2024 also, do you use any fuel additives? It’s debatable if needed but it helps me sleep better at night. I have used Hotshots secrets in every tank since new just to add lubricity to the diesel.

Curious if a CP4 disaster kit would have saved this from getting worse?

Sucks you have to deal with this on a new truck.
 

M and E

Prominent Member
I have 2024 also, do you use any fuel additives? It’s debatable if needed but it helps me sleep better at night. I have used Hotshots secrets in every tank since new just to add lubricity to the diesel.

Curious if a CP4 disaster kit would have saved this from getting worse?

Sucks you have to deal with this on a new truck.
XPD at every single fill up, literally, from the first tank at the dealer. Another contributor here on the forum, who is very knowledgeable on the subject, recommended Power Service as a consideration.


After sleeping on it, I’m pretty sure I’m going to move back to Ram. Not fully decided on it but really leaning that way. I’d likely have to get a dually though.
 

M and E

Prominent Member
I have 2024 also, do you use any fuel additives? It’s debatable if needed but it helps me sleep better at night. I have used Hotshots secrets in every tank since new just to add lubricity to the diesel.

Curious if a CP4 disaster kit would have saved this from getting worse?

Sucks you have to deal with this on a new truck.
The DPKs do not prevent this problem. The problem is with the pump design, the forces applied to the ring and rollers, and the low lubricity associated to low sulfur diesel.

DPKs are designed with the intention to prevent a catastrophic engine failure due to particulate contamination of the fuel. It has no bearing on the pump failing (perhaps it will delay some pump wear by trapping particulates).

That said, the automotive circles I move in are saying DPKs, though generally considered effective, are not as effective in preventing catastrophic failures with the CP4.2 vs previous iterations of the pump. I do not fully understand why but I’ve heard and read this from sources I trust. I was planning on putting one on myself.

My understanding is that the best solution to prevent this is replacing the CP4 with a DCR pump.

CP4 pumps have tiny cams and rollers operating under high force. The system has to be manufactured perfectly AND fuel delivery needs to be almost flawless for it not to fail (lubricity only derived from diesel fuel). DCR pumps use multiple opposing pistons, also relying on diesel fuel for lubricity but retain a diesel film constantly. Operating forces are displaced, lubricity is maintained, and wear is minimal. Think of a CP4 as a stiletto heel on concrete whereas a DCR is a snowshoe on ice. That analogy was from an engineer on YouTube.
 

Meanjean73

Well-known member
Several online estimate the failure rate of a CP4 around 7 percent.

You would think a warranty would help but sounds like that’s not even a sure thing.
 

BryanValRox

Elite Member
My truck has 15k miles on it, so I decided to change the fuel filters. The 2024 has two filters. The primary filter is in the engine compartment. The secondary filter is mounted on the frame rail near the rear passenger door on a crew cab.

When I removed the secondary filter housing from the frame rail, I found a significant amount of metal debris including shedding and shavings. This debris comes from the CP4 pump where the cam ring contacts the roller. Both parts are steel and operate under high load with only diesel fuel for lubrication. In my case, the pump had to have been manufactured improperly, especially given how early this occurred. I looked up CP4 failure rates and found they run between one and three percent under 30,000 miles.

I took the truck to Ford and they initially denied the claim and told me to come pick it up. They said no codes meant no warranty work. That is when the fight started. I escalated to corporate and requested a field service engineer and a district service manager. They refused everything. I escalated again, demanded all denials in writing, and raised the issue of litigation. Only then did Ford authorize an inspection, which confirmed a nearly destroyed CP4. They are now replacing everything from the tank to the injectors.

For those who do not know, Ford uses the CP4.2 pump. They claim it is better than the CP4 but it is still problematic. GM uses the more reliable and proven CP3. Ram uses the DCR CP8, which is widely considered very reliable.

If I had relied on Ford to perform this service on their own schedule, I would have likely had a catastrophic engine failure soon. I am willing to bet it would have happened while towing and far from home. If you have the ability to change your own fuel filters, I strongly recommend doing it. The filters are cheap. It takes two or three minutes to change the primary filter and about five minutes to change the secondary. Draining the fuel takes longer than the actual filter change. It can save you a lot of pain.

This is what the secondary filter bowl looks like when a CP4 is failing.

Honestly, I am now leaning toward buying a Ram, although I would need a dually.View attachment 4392View attachment 4393
Thanks for sharing this Mike!
Sorry your going thru this!
 

UFF

Well-known member
Well I had 92,000 on my 2017 f350 when I traded it in. Done oil analysis on every oil change. My opinion is fuel additive is a must. Quality fuel is also important. Don’t buy fuel from a small station you are unfamiliar with. I try to always buy from a truck stop to avoid bad fuel. I traded for a Ram this past year just because I was worried about the cp4 and I need to put a serpentine belt on it and figured out it was to big of a job to do on the side of the road. Ram is a little easier to work on in my opinion. To close I believe in 5,000 mile oil changes with a good quality oil, 15,000 fuel filter changes, and always use fuel additive. Sorry to hear about your new truck.
 

M and E

Prominent Member
Oh and I do believe s&s make an aftermarket pump that is better.
They do. It’s got a great reputation. I’m just not sure I could get those timing teeth lined up and get 24 degrees from TDC on installation. I’d choose to pay someone to install that for sure.
 

M and E

Prominent Member
Several online estimate the failure rate of a CP4 around 7 percent.

You would think a warranty would help but sounds like that’s not even a sure thing.
That’s interesting. Now I’m wondering if my data on low mileage failures goes to the total number of pumps or the 7% that fail.
 

UFF

Well-known member
Can they prove it was caused by fuel contamination. If they can’t they should cover it. That is what happened to a buddy’s truck. Sad part your water in fuel light will not come on before it’s too late. If you do have fuel contamination you might be able to turn it into insurance. Sounds like you got a fight and you have did your part by changing the filters. Sad when things come to this.
 

Lantley

Prominent Member
You guys are more tolerant about this situation than I am. These are $100K trucks. They should not have these failures period.
I should not have to add anyone's snake oil, upgrade to an aftermarket pump or beware where of where I get fuel.
Catastrophic engine failure should only be the result of negligence or abuse.
Now I understand how these problems could exist in the early/first production years of these trucks. But at this point.
These issues should be resolved.
Yes the 6.7 is a powerful modern diesel engine, but it is not and improvement over the antiquated old 7.3 PSD if it has a 7% catastrophic engine failure rate.
At some point grenade-ing fuel pumps should be resolved. Even more upsetting is that you have to fight with Ford over the issue as though its possibly or somehow the consumers fault. Ford should at least be quick to take responsibility vs. having to strong arm the to even take a look at it.
Ford acts as though they don't know what's going on and have never seen this problem! When in fact it's a well documented problem that's existed for years
 

M and E

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Can they prove it was caused by fuel contamination. If they can’t they should cover it. That is what happened to a buddy’s truck. Sad part your water in fuel light will not come on before it’s too late. If you do have fuel contamination you might be able to turn it into insurance. Sounds like you got a fight and you have did your part by changing the filters. Sad when things come to this.
They’re fixing it. They did not test for fuel contaminants. But, yes; I did have to fight to get them to do the work.

This dealership and brand, Ford, expects me to trust them after they were going to send me home with a vehicle that had evidence of an issue known to cause catastrophic failures and has been classified as a critical and imminent safety concern. This is not an issue attributed solely to the dealer or Ford, but rather they share responsibility. It is my opinion that the dealer loses money on the repair and Ford must deny these claims as the class action against them for continued use of the CP4 becomes certified. Bean counting and case building. My opinion. I could be wrong. But I’m an Occam’s Razor guy and this is what makes sense to me.

Apologies for the editorial.
 

M and E

Prominent Member
You guys are more tolerant about this situation than I am. These are $100K trucks. They should not have these failures period.
I should not have to add anyone's snake oil, upgrade to an aftermarket pump or beware where of where I get fuel.
Catastrophic engine failure should only be the result of negligence or abuse.
Now I understand how these problems could exist in the early/first production years of these trucks. But at this point.
These issues should be resolved.
Yes the 6.7 is a powerful modern diesel engine, but it is not and improvement over the antiquated old 7.3 PSD if it has a 7% catastrophic engine failure rate.
At some point grenade-ing fuel pumps should be resolved. Even more upsetting is that you have to fight with Ford over the issue as though its possibly or somehow the consumers fault. Ford should at least be quick to take responsibility vs. having to strong arm the to even take a look at it.
Ford acts as though they don't know what's going on and have never seen this problem! When in fact it's a well documented problem that's existed for years
I’m torn right now. Ram HD is rumored to have a redesign, maybe announced for the 27 MY. If some of the rumors are true, independent front suspension, 4 corner air, new frame, new bed, 1500 cab design, head up display, retractable mirrors, flat rear floor, it could be a dream towing machine. But the 27s, will have the new emissions standards I think which may create more issues???
 
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UFF

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That is wonderful they are fixing it. I got a 2026 Ram 3500 dually on 30 Sep 2025. Only towed a little over a thousand with it. Was an upgrade coming from a 2017 F350 dually. Love it so far. The only thing I dislike is they put a speaker under back seat which ate up some storage.

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M and E

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That is wonderful they are fixing it. I got a 2026 Ram 3500 dually on 30 Sep 2025. Only towed a little over a thousand with it. Was an upgrade coming from a 2017 F350 dually. Love it so far. The only thing I dislike is they put a speaker under back seat which ate up some storage.

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Happy to see it goes under the standard garage door! I don’t like vehicles in the driveway long term.
 
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